This was like a big chunk of Worldwide
Exclusives, again. A lot of recaps, and
a paucity of anything interesting
here in terms of exposition. Here, for the first time, some bullshit from
the RSPWMOd thread....
What Worked
Flair in the ring with the LWO (in
Nitro recap form) was kind of a cool moment,
especially with him hugging Silver
King and all, Juvi Whooing, and Rey
abstaining from Flair's de facto
ethnic cleansing. Notice how deftly Flair
turned the boos directed to the
LWO into cheers.
Jeff Warner, a new Power Plant guy,
showed some rudimentary, if Vanilla,
offense against Disco Inferno.
Warner stuck to the basics here -- crisp slams
and suplexes, vaguely heelish mannerisms
-- but executed them convincingly and
used smooth transitions throughout.
Odd to see the so-called heel Disco work
essentially face in this match,
taking a beating until he found an opening to
do his finisher. Pathetic to see
the starpower-starved Gainesville crowd
chanting for Disco, especially
in light of the other dreck on this show.
Installment 2 of the white-hot Chris
Adams/Chip Minton feud finds the judo
jacket wearing Adams showing more
interesting offense (a dragon screw, for
example) than he has in a while
(although the powerbomb he executed to set up
the superkick was Nashesque in
its weakness). Minton looked sharp here, and I
can't complain about this.
There was nothing seriously wrong
with Riggs/Putski. Credible psychology
highlighted by Riggs working over
Putski's leg for a couple of minutes with
some fairly convincing mat work
(a decent half crab, a spinning toehold, et
al.). Of course, Putski's offense
blew chunks and Riggs's finisher is wack, but
whatever.
What Didn't Work
Wrath squashing Horowitz was too
long and pointless (as is usual with the
former Adam Bomb), but my friend
Jim on AOL would rather see one move from
Wrath than the repulsive sketches
of Mark Henry, so maybe this belongs in the
other column.
Chad Fortune, being a complete and
utter joke in the ring, does his part to
kill Gainesville and gets David
Sierra to help him. Fortune did a lot of body
slams and some crap matwork, and
he and the pensioner Sierra are not afraid to
work loose. Fortune's finisher
is a single leg sweep.
The Monster Meng goes all death grippy on Mike Tolbert. Yeehaw.
Apparently the NWO has decided that
there will be no tag team tournament, so
tonight's main event tag match
is just a tag match, or something. I watched
Hudson and Tenay explain this three
times and it makes no sense to me
whatsoever.
That Tag Team Main Event was just
an abomination and a disgrace to WCWSN. The
crowd was like extras from Schindler's
List, sitting on their hands, checking
watches, balancing checkbooks.
It was about three minutes long, with Duncum
winning the match after legdropping
Kaos (who was distracted, you see, because
Rage came out to distract him).
What the hell is there to say about this?
Duncum's a sack of shit that can
only be carried by Chris Jericho, apparently.
Kaos will just become Lex Luger.
Mike Enos brings nothing to a match except for
stiffness when he's in with Benoit
or Finlay. Bobby Eaton needs to get the hell
off my TV screen. And to think
that a few weeks back I found things to bitch
about when Eddy and Chris Motherfucking
Jericho were wrestling. Someone shoulda
slapped the taste outta my mouth
then, because I was a punk talking a punk's
talk.
'Double Tough' Tony Gancarski:
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> Installment 2 of the white-hot
Chris Adams/Chip Minton feud finds the judo
> jacket wearing Adams showing
more interesting offense (a dragon screw, for
> example) than he has in a while
(although the powerbomb he executed to set up
> the superkick was Nashesque in
its weakness). Minton looked sharp here, and I
> can't complain about this.
I'm going to go with Scott Hudson
and say that Adams was actually trying a
piledriver. I've seen Adams use
a piledriver many times before, but I dont recall
him using a powerbomb. My guess
is that as he picked up Minton, he accidentally
overdid it or Minton overrotated
(possibly not realizing it was supposed to be a
piledriver) and so Adams had to
go for the powerbomb. Adams looked a bit confused
after the move, so I'll use that
as further evidence.
The thing is, no matter what the
reason for the shabby powerbomb, it was still a
notch better than Nash's. I dont
know why anyone would even want to do a powerbomb
now that Eddie Guerrero's laid
up. No one can give or receive a powerbomb like
that man.
Adams is going for a low-rent pseudo-shootfighting gimmick? Hey, I can dig it.
todd
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Todd Gerth writes:
>Gancarski wrote:
>> Installment 2 of the white-hot
Chris Adams/Chip Minton feud finds the judo
>> jacket wearing Adams showing
more interesting offense (a dragon screw, for
>> example) than he has in a while
(although the powerbomb he executed to set
>up
>> the superkick was Nashesque
in its weakness). Minton looked sharp here, and
>I
>> can't complain about this.
>I'm going to go with Scott Hudson
and say that Adams was actually trying a
>piledriver. I've seen Adams use
a piledriver many times before, but I dont
>recall
>him using a powerbomb. My guess
is that as he picked up Minton, he
>accidentally
>overdid it or Minton overrotated
(possibly not realizing it was supposed to
>be a
>piledriver) and so Adams had to
go for the powerbomb. Adams looked a bit
>confused
>after the move, so I'll use that
as further evidence.
Good point. And that's another cool
thing about this match: Adama\s' ability to
adapt.
>The thing is, no matter what the
reason for the shabby powerbomb, it was
>still a
>notch better than Nash's. I dont
know why anyone would even want to do a
>powerbomb
>now that Eddie Guerrero's laid
up. No one can give or receive a powerbomb
>like
>that man.
This Canadian guy -- Benoit? --
is pretty good. WCW has him in opening matches,
so I guess they're trying to build
him slow though.
>Adams is going for a low-rent pseudo-shootfighting
gimmick? Hey, I can dig
>it.
Beats the hell out of what he did when he started in WCW.
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Gancarski wrote:
> Todd Gerth writes:
> I dont know why anyone would even
want to do a
> >powerbomb now that Eddie Guerrero's
laid up. No one can give or receive a
> powerbomb like that man.
> This Canadian guy -- Benoit? --
is pretty good. WCW has him in opening matches,
> so I guess they're trying to
build him slow though.
Benoit? You mean that quiet little
guy who always beats up his opponents without
using any wrestling moves? I think
I've heard of him.
Mr. Choppy-choppy-kick-kick hasnt
done much for me lately. (how many killfiles will
I enter for that blasphemy?) Seriously,
when was the last time he used a
powerbomb?
todd
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OF AN RSPWM POST IN THE MAKING: Earlier
drafts of this post did not use
the line "Mr Choppy etc", and instead called Benoit
"The Canadian Cuisinart" (because
all he does is chop). However, studio execs
decided that the "Choppy" line
would invoke the underutilization of Kaientai in the
WWF, and would bring another level
of subtext to the proceedings.}
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Todd Gerth writes:
>Gancarski wrote:
>> Todd Gerth writes:
>> I dont know why anyone would
even want to do a
>> >powerbomb now that Eddie Guerrero's
laid up. No one can give or receive a
>> powerbomb like that man.
>> This Canadian guy -- Benoit?
-- is pretty good. WCW has him in opening
>matches,
>> so I guess they're trying to
build him slow though.
>Benoit? You mean that quiet little
guy who always beats up his opponents
>without
>using any wrestling moves? I think
I've heard of him.
He's pretty good. But the problem
is that he's not willing to learn from people
above him on the card. If he got
Kevin Nash to take him under his wing, who
knows what would happen? He might
have the TV title now.
>Mr. Choppy-choppy-kick-kick hasnt
done much for me lately. (how many
>killfiles will
>I enter for that blasphemy?) Seriously,
when was the last time he used a
>powerbomb?
Right before the ban on them.
>todd
>{A SPECIAL BEHIND-THE-SCENES GLIMPSE
OF AN RSPWM POST IN THE MAKING: Earlier
>drafts of this post did not use
the line "Mr Choppy etc", and instead called
>Benoit
>"The Canadian Cuisinart" (because
all he does is chop). However, studio
>execs
>decided that the "Choppy" line
would invoke the underutilization of Kaientai
>in the
>WWF, and would bring another level
of subtext to the proceedings.}
Indeed. Who's this Kaientai guy? Is he any good?
'Double Tough' Tony Gancarski:
You can still rock in Amerika.
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Gancarski wrote:
> Todd Gerth writes:
> >{A SPECIAL BEHIND-THE-SCENES
GLIMPSE OF AN RSPWM POST IN THE MAKING: Earlier
> >drafts of this post did not
use the line "Mr Choppy etc", and instead called
> >Benoit "The Canadian Cuisinart"
(because all he does is chop). However, studio
> >execs decided that the "Choppy"
line would invoke the underutilization of
> Kaientai
> >in the WWF, and would bring
another level of subtext to the proceedings.}
> Indeed. Who's this Kaientai guy? Is he any good?
Kaientai, who also used the names
Mr. Kaientai, Professor Kaientai, and for a
brief, rather unfortunate period,
"Chopstick Charlie", wrestled for the WWWWF (the
precursor to today's WWF, begun
by Langdon McMahon, the great granduncle of Vince)
in the 1930s. He invented the Japanese
heel gimmick, though he was actually a
Vietnamese immigrant (real name:
Dinh Van Tien). He had been attracted to American
pro wrestling while on a world
tour with a Saigon theater company, where he worked
as a props manager and stunt man.
Mr. Kaientai is generally considered
to be well ahead of his time, as he devised
such techniques as throwing salt
in his opponent's eyes and using a Japanese flag
as a foreign object (in fact, some
records indicate that the term "foreign object"
originated with Kaientai's use
of various Japanese paraphenalia). However,
promoters never gave him a chance
to be a star. To be fair, he never got over with
the fans, as Americans had little
reason to hate the Japanese in the years prior to
the second World War.
Probably his main contribution to
the sport was his maneuver "The Imperial Whip".
It wasn't embraced immediately,
as fans found it to be too implausible to accept.
However, it would come to innovate
the sport after it was resurrected in the early
50s by Missouri State Champion
Paddy O'Houlihan, who renamed it the Irish Whip.
That's about all the information
available on the man. Sadly, he passed away in
1996 just nine days before he was
scheduled to film an RF Shoot Video. We'll miss
you, big K!
todd
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Todd Gerth writes:
>Gancarski wrote:
>> Todd Gerth writes:
>> >{A SPECIAL BEHIND-THE-SCENES
GLIMPSE OF AN RSPWM POST IN THE MAKING:
>Earlier
>> >drafts of this post did not
use the line "Mr Choppy etc", and instead
>called
>> >Benoit "The Canadian Cuisinart"
(because all he does is chop). However,
>studio
>> >execs decided that the "Choppy"
line would invoke the underutilization of
>> Kaientai
>> >in the WWF, and would bring
another level of subtext to the proceedings.}
>> Indeed. Who's this Kaientai guy? Is he any good?
>Kaientai, who also used the names
Mr. Kaientai, Professor Kaientai, and for a
>brief, rather unfortunate period,
"Chopstick >Charlie"
Oooh! Alliteration!
>, wrestled for the WWWWF
>(the
>precursor to today's WWF, begun
by Langdon McMahon, the great granduncle of
>Vince)
>in the 1930s. He invented the
Japanese heel gimmick, though he was actually
>a
>Vietnamese immigrant (real name:
Dinh Van Tien). He had been attracted to
>American
>pro wrestling while on a world
tour with a Saigon theater company, where he
>worked
>as a props manager and stunt man.
Wow! He sounds like a real man of the world.
>Mr. Kaientai is generally considered
to be well ahead of his time, as he
>devised
>such techniques as throwing salt
in his opponent's eyes and using a Japanese
>flag
>as a foreign object (in fact,
some records indicate that the term "foreign
>object"
>originated with Kaientai's use
of various Japanese paraphenalia). However,
>promoters never gave him a chance
to be a star. To be fair, he never got
>over with
>the fans, as Americans had little
reason to hate the Japanese in the years
>prior to
>the second World War.
Well, wait. I think I heard of this.
NWO Brian Adams was giving a commencement
address at Yale, I believe in 1997.
He talked about some evil Jap gimmick that
existed in the old days that played
on Japan's occupation of China (which was
one of the principal "reasons"
we had to initiate our diplomatic strongarming
that provoked a Japanese attack
on WW2). At the time, I thought he might've
been referring to something involving
Mr Fuji and WWF's Chyna, and I was
horrified that anything might happen
to besmirch her good name 4 LIFE!!!!
>Probably his main contribution
to the sport was his maneuver "The Imperial
>Whip".
>It wasn't embraced immediately,
as fans found it to be too implausible to
>accept.
>However, it would come to innovate
the sport after it was resurrected in the
>early
>50s by Missouri State Champion
Paddy O'Houlihan, who renamed it the Irish
>Whip.
WOW!
>That's about all the information
available on the man. Sadly, he passed away
>in
>1996 just nine days before he
was scheduled to film an RF Shoot Video. We'll
>miss
>you, big K!
Did he ever wrestle Ric Flair? Didn't Ric Flair wrestle during WW2?
'Double Tough' Tony Gancarski:
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Pete Burns is to singing, brother.
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Gancarski wrote:
> Todd Gerth writes:
> >Gancarski wrote:
> >> Todd Gerth writes:
> >Mr. Kaientai is generally considered
to be well ahead of his time, as he
> >devised such techniques as throwing
salt in his opponent's eyes and using a
> Japanese
> >flag as a foreign object (in
fact, some records indicate that the term "foreign
> >object" originated with Kaientai's
use of various Japanese paraphenalia).
> However,
> >promoters never gave him a chance
to be a star. To be fair, he never got
> >over with the fans, as Americans
had little reason to hate the Japanese in the
> years
> >prior to the second World War.
> Well, wait. I think I heard of
this. NWO Brian Adams was giving a commencement
> address at Yale, I believe in
1997. He talked about some evil Jap gimmick that
> existed in the old days that
played on Japan's occupation of China (which was
> one of the principal "reasons"
we had to initiate our diplomatic strongarming
> that provoked a Japanese attack
on WW2).
Ah, a common misconception. NWO's
Brian Adams was actually Crushing around the
WWF in 1997. The speech was given
by Canadian rock-n-roller Bryan Adams, who is a
strong advocate of the National
Organization for Women. This confusion has led to
the sighting of several amusing
signs at wrestling events, including "NWO Brian
Adams is relatively unconcerned
with the plight of women in western society", "The
American Brian Adams neither rocks
nor rolls", and "Brian Adams: 'Sucks like a
Knife'"
> >That's about all the information
available on the man. Sadly, he passed away
> >in 1996 just nine days before
he was scheduled to film an RF Shoot Video.
> We'll
> >miss you, big K!
> Did he ever wrestle Ric Flair? Didn't Ric Flair wrestle during WW2?
Flair didn't wrestle during WW II,
as he was drafted (which cut short the filming
of his third film vehicle "Beach
Party with RIC!"). He served in the Coast Guard,
valiantly defending the Bering
Strait.
However, Flair did headline the
1939 "World War 2" PPV event, winning the two-ring
battle royal by eliminating "Suburban
Boy" Wayne Mundaine. Mr. Kaientai faced
masked Latino superstar Mr. Fiesta,
Jr. on the undercard. Due to a stipulation of
losing the match, Kaientai was
forced to drop the "Mr." (he replaced it with
"Professor" shortly thereafter).
I can't find a record of Flair ever facing
Kaientai the ring, which is probably
due to that famous locker room brawl in
Istanbul (Kaientai sided with Adagio
Guerreri, needless to say).
Incidentally, the radio descrambler
boxes used to pick up the PPV (actually
pay-per-listen) transmissions in
those days are quite a collector's item in
today's market. I just saw one
on Antiques Roadshow going for $2,500. Closet
graps fan Chris Jussel marked OUT
when he saw it.
yours
todd
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is. Very clever referencing the lead singer of
"Dead Or Alive" in a post where
you name drop the original leader of the DOA.
With a name like "GANK", I guess
you have to learn to be subtle.
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Todd Gerth writes:
>Gancarski wrote:
>> Todd Gerth writes:
>> >Gancarski wrote:
>> >> Todd Gerth writes:
>> >Mr. Kaientai is generally considered
to be well ahead of his time, as he
>> >devised such techniques as
throwing salt in his opponent's eyes and using
>a
>> Japanese
>> >flag as a foreign object (in
fact, some records indicate that the term
>"foreign
>> >object" originated with Kaientai's
use of various Japanese paraphenalia).
>> However,
>> >promoters never gave him a
chance to be a star. To be fair, he never got
>> >over with the fans, as Americans
had little reason to hate the Japanese in
>the
>> years
>> >prior to the second World War.
>> Well, wait. I think I heard of
this. NWO Brian Adams was giving a
>commencement
>> address at Yale, I believe in
1997. He talked about some evil Jap gimmick
>that
>> existed in the old days that
played on Japan's occupation of China (which
>was
>> one of the principal "reasons"
we had to initiate our diplomatic
>strongarming
>> that provoked a Japanese attack
on WW2).
>Ah, a common misconception. NWO's
Brian Adams was actually Crushing around
>the
>WWF in 1997. The speech was given
by Canadian rock-n-roller Bryan Adams, who
>is a
>strong advocate of the National
Organization for Women. This confusion has
>led to
>the sighting of several amusing
signs at wrestling events, including "NWO
>Brian
>Adams is relatively unconcerned
with the plight of women in western society",
>"The
>American Brian Adams neither rocks
nor rolls", and "Brian Adams: 'Sucks like
>a
>Knife'"
Wow. I'm flabbergasted.
Is that a 500 dollar shirt you're wearing?
>> >That's about all the information
available on the man. Sadly, he passed
>away
>> >in 1996 just nine days before
he was scheduled to film an RF Shoot Video.
>> We'll
>> >miss you, big K!
>> Did he ever wrestle Ric Flair? Didn't Ric Flair wrestle during WW2?
>Flair didn't wrestle during WW
II, as he was drafted (which cut short the
>filming
>of his third film vehicle "Beach
Party with RIC!"). He served in the Coast
>Guard,
>valiantly defending the Bering
Strait.
I think I -- WHOA! -- saw the -- BY JOVE! -- newsreel.
>However, Flair did headline the
1939 "World War 2" PPV event, winning the
>two-ring
>battle royal by eliminating "Suburban
Boy" Wayne Mundaine. Mr. Kaientai
>faced
>masked Latino superstar Mr. Fiesta,
Jr. on the undercard. Due to a
>stipulation of
>losing the match, Kaientai was
forced to drop the "Mr." (he replaced it with
>"Professor" shortly thereafter).
I can't find a record of Flair ever facing
>Kaientai the ring, which is probably
due to that famous locker room brawl in
>Istanbul (Kaientai sided with
Adagio >Guerreri, needless to say).
Ouch. I read Dutch Mantel's first
person account of that. Brutal. Everyone had
on a crimson mask on that occasion,
Katie Bar The Door.
>Incidentally, the radio descrambler
boxes used to pick up the PPV (actually
>pay-per-listen) transmissions
in those days are quite a collector's item in
>today's market. I just saw one
on Antiques Roadshow going for $2,500.
>Closet
>graps fan Chris Jussel marked
OUT when he saw it.
I'd pay $2550 for one, easily.
>yours
>todd
>--
>Hey, I figured out who Pete Burns
is. Very clever referencing the lead
>singer of
>"Dead Or Alive" in a post where
you name drop the original leader of the DOA.
>With a name like "GANK", I guess
you have >to learn to be subtle.
It's all coincidence.
I have a really funny Pete Burns
story. He was really excited about his
post-DOA group International Crisis
getting a record deal (early 90s is
timeframe here). So he got drunk
and decided to start dancing on the roofs of
cars. Eventually he happened onto
the roof of a convertible. He managed to
break his leg and get arrested
as a result.
'Double Tough' Tony Gancarski:
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